Saturday, December 27, 2008

Road frame Search -- Not this again!!!

My deal with myself last year. If I met my weight loss and cycling goals for 2008, I get to buy a new road bike. I thought about a Ti frame, or custom steel. I decided on CF. I'd like something really light. That is all fine and dandy, except that few high-end carbon fiber frames come in Jolly Green Giant size. That SUCKS!

Frames that I won't be getting this year. Anything made by Cervello, Isaac, Kuota, Eddy Merckx, the Ibis Silk, Trek Madone 6.9 and Specialized Tarmac SL are all too short in the top tube. The Cannondale Super6 HiMod might be good, but doesn't really jazz me. I don't really know why. The geometry and close, but not perfect.

First on the list is the Ridley Helium. It is insanely light and EXACTLY the right proportions. I'd really like a bike that I can ride anywhere, but weight is a big issue for me. I'd like something that minimizes weight without being whippy. I rode a Helium that was one size too small and it felt great and scary light. For 2008 I went from a 21 pound bike to a 17 pound bike. It took me two weeks to get used to it. Going from a 17 pound bike to a 15 pound bike will likely have a similar adjustment. The color is perfect. It is black/carbon with really subdued graphics. The other cool thing is that my local bike shop JUST started selling Ridleys. Thanks The Bike Lane.

Ridley Noah is also in the ballpark. Sizing is the same. Weight is a little heavier. But DAMN is it aero. The colors are also not near as nice as the Helium. Red, Blue or Green are dandy, but not to my taste. Helium still wins.

The DeRosa King3 is quite possibly the best bike I've ever seen. I've always liked the ride of a classic Italian road bike. You don't get more classic or Italian than DeRosa. The flat black is stunning. It is imposibly light. It is perfect. The owner of a shop I worked in as a kid used to love to tell me that the only bike for me was a classic Italian road frame. He sold DeRosas and Colnagos. I drooled over them for years. The only problem is the price. DAMN is that frame expensive. At $5500 for frame/fork, it is about $2000 over my price range. This is, by far, the closest I've been to owning a dream bike. I don't really need 2 kidneys, do I? There are two local shops that sell the DeRosa.

The Felt F1SL makes me want to sing "God Bless America". The fit is right on par with the Ridleys and the DeRosa. The basic black and white colors are great. The ride is great. It is a good balance between power transfer, light weight and all-day comfort. It is a hair heavier than the others by virtue of the seat post setup. A few hundred grams is the difference. That shouldn't matter to me... I should be big enough to know that I should just eat a little less, drink a little less, work a little harder and lose the extra weight. I'm not going to completely discount it.... it isn't perfect though. There are quite a few Felt dealers in the area. They are some really good shops that I like.

Can I spend $3000 on a Giant? I remember working in a shop that sold Giant Iguana mountain bikes. I loved it when people would call and ask if I had a green giant iguana. Can I spend tons of money on a TCR Advanced SL? Size is perfect. Geometry is perfect. Graphics and look are Perfect. It is the only one of these bikes that I've actually ridden in my size and it was brilliant. I may be too much of a snob to spend that much on a Giant. The Giant is available locally... though the local shop isn't my first choice for a place to shop.

Last but not least is the bike that doesn't fit my original description, but must be added for texture. The Moots Compact Custom. It is similar in weight to the Ridley Noah... about 100 grams heavier. That makes it a hair heavier than the Felt also. It is beautiful. Has a great ride. It also will likely be the last road bike that I'll ever have to buy. What it lacks in super sexy carbon fiber goodness, it more than makes up for in its amazing ride and durability. It the second most expensive bike on the list at around $4000 (including custom geometry and fork). I've always loved Moots frames. I looked at Seven and IF and they're both great bikes... but they don't jazz me like the Moots. I can't explain why. The Moots would come from my friends at Speedgoat. I know they're not a local shop, but the owners are good friends and that makes them almost local for me.

Honorable mentions: Calfee Design Dragonfly, Cannondale SuperSix HiMod, KirkLee custom, Colnago C50, and a few others.

Now I need to see how things play out. I might be able to scrimp and save and go easy on things and get the DeRosa. I could go easy on the wheels and put that money into the frame.

I have until the end of February to decide. That is when I really need to make a choice in order to be riding the bike in a reasonable amount of time.

Did I miss anything? I think I covered all of the bases with my search.

Thanks for reading.

Pete

9 comments:

Your Name Here said...

Two things... My friend Eric asked me about the Orbea Orca. Great frame but it doesn't come in a size close to what would fit me.

I also have been reading a lot about the Felt F1SL. Cool frame. Looks great. It is officially in play. :D

Pete

sean said...

any updates on the frame decision?

Your Name Here said...

Not really. I'm on the fence with sizing. 60cm top tube length is really ideal for most frames that I've ridden.

There are, however a few frames that have a little steeper seat tube angle, but slightly shorter top tubes. With that configuration, I'd be happy with the slightly shorter top tube... possibly as short as 59cm.

Interesting enough, that throws the Ibis Silk and Look 595 Origin into the mix. The look is a bit more expensive than I'd like to pay. The Ibis is insanely cheap... over $1000 less than the next least expensive bike that I'm looking at, yet similar in specs, weight and ride. That got my attention.

The Trek Madone 6.9 is high on the list. I'm hoping to get out to TBL this weekend to throw a leg over one. Todd's got an XL in the 5.2 model that I could at least get a feel for the top tube. It has the slightly slacker seat angle combined with a hair shorter top tube. That is a weird combo for me since I'd have to rock the seat back in the rails between 3 and 5mm. Doing so would put my knees a hair behind the pedal spindles at 3pm on the cranks. I could push the stem out further, but when you get to the 130mm stem length, you start doinking with the handling of the bike. I'm at 130mm with the LeMond, but I've got ergo bars on it that roll it back to a 120mm stem length.

It is hard to buy a bike on paper. Sitting on one will help.

I found out this week that we do get bonus, but it won't come through till March.. maybe the end of March. That gives me time to think it all through and thoroughly shop. I'll also have all the components completely ready once the frame arrives.

Later!

Pete

sean said...

SRAM or Campy?

Carbon rimmed tubular aero wheelset?

I have no experience with Ti frames. I did ride Aluminum and Carbon and it was not close for me. The Carbon frames were sooooo much smoother.

I might have to make a demo booth in the spring and try out some uber high end stuff for a few miles. I am just now beginning to get a more organic feel for road biking. Still a Cat 6 noob though.

If you want to do any base miles soon, let me know. Maybe a flat Mt. Vernon trail ride or something.

Your Name Here said...

Depends a little on the size of the bonus. If this year's bonus is like last year's bonus, Campy Super Record. I rode the new Record and LOVED it. I think that is a longshot though. 99% chance that I'll just move the SRAM Red stuff over from the LeMond and put a new bottom bracket, F & R Derailleurs and some ZeroG brakes and call it a bike. Honestly the SRAM Red stuff is every bit as good as the new campy and it is 1/3 cheaper. The ride of both is so amazingly good. The one thing Campy has over SRAM is that their stuff is truly built to last. Every tiny part is replacable and each part is rebuildable. The rear derailleur is probably the only exception.

CF-rimmed tubulars all the way baby. I have the stuff to build the back wheel already. I need to pick up a front rim and I'll be ready to go. Zipp 303 rims on White Industries hubs. I went with a hair higher spoke count than what Zipp specs on their pre-built 303s. I'm not exactly a super svelt guy yet... and may never be.

I'll build a nice set of clinchers too, for when reality sets in and I get too lazy to glue up tires.

I love the ride of a nice ti road bike. In the years to come I'll be riding a Moots Compact. This bike, however, is about pimped-out CF goodness.

I'm gonna do a mellow ride on the WOD this weekend. I still can't handle real mileage yet. I've still got a band-aid over where the stitches were (left over from surgery) and they're in a spot that is a tiny bit tender for cycling.

We'll ride something longer next weekend. I might even have the LeMond rebuilt and on the road. Depends on if I can find chainrings for it. I guess I could ride ONE more ride with the old ones. They don't skip that badly. :)

Later dood. I'm heading to bed. Tomorrow is an early day and the roads might be icy. I'm gonna ride the MTB to work for fun. I'll take the C&O tow path home.

'night.

Pete

pabiker said...

If you want performance and speed I would recommend the Cannondale. I'm a larger rider and my CAAD9 is a speed machine. Not high on the cool retro, or bling scale; but fast. It is a race bike. I do train on it, but it was a team frame and is relatively disposable.

For me, the dream race bike would be a Time.

pabiker said...

Wait, if you are really Jolly Green Giant size - why are you so intent on a sub 20 lb bike (let alone a sub 17 pounder)? I don't understand. I am more concerned about flex under power than shaving a few grams off the frame.

Your Name Here said...

The cool thing about the high end CF frames is that I can get all the stiffness that I want and the comfort that I need and get it all in a sub 15 pound package.

My 17 pound bike is a LeMond on par with the Cannondale CAAD 9. I like it. I want more and less.

I looked at the new Cannondale Super6 HiMod. It is good, but not quite what I'm looking for. The Trek is actually much closer.

My search has narrowed significantly. Ridley Helium or Trek Madone 6.9. It isn't definitive yet. Something else might catch my eye.

I sat on a Cervelo R3 SL and it fits pretty dang well. I haven't ridden it yet though.

Pete

Thanks for the comments though.

Pete

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